1 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:03,439 all right cool okay so I'm gonna be 2 00:00:10,250 --> 00:00:06,750 switching gears from astrology into 3 00:00:14,539 --> 00:00:10,260 consciousness philosophy and some SCI 4 00:00:16,820 --> 00:00:14,549 experiments so a very brief outline here 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:16,830 I'm gonna be jumping a couple of topics 6 00:00:20,330 --> 00:00:19,050 so this will hopefully help you stay 7 00:00:22,570 --> 00:00:20,340 with me I'm gonna start with like a 8 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:22,580 philosophical framework which I think is 9 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:24,960 important and needs to be addressed in 10 00:00:29,419 --> 00:00:27,689 you know going forward with SCI research 11 00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:29,429 and then I'm going to be talking about a 12 00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:31,560 couple of experiments that are in 13 00:00:39,319 --> 00:00:36,239 progress so to start with the framework 14 00:00:41,619 --> 00:00:39,329 part of it these are just different 15 00:00:44,450 --> 00:00:41,629 aspects of consciousness which I see as 16 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:44,460 the most challenging problems like what 17 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:46,140 is it that we really don't understand 18 00:00:50,450 --> 00:00:48,600 about consciousness so the hard problem 19 00:00:53,810 --> 00:00:50,460 for those of you who don't know was put 20 00:00:57,889 --> 00:00:53,820 forth by David Chalmers in the 90s which 21 00:01:00,619 --> 00:00:57,899 basically just says what is it that 22 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:00,629 gives us a phenomenal subjective 23 00:01:06,649 --> 00:01:03,899 experience you know why why is it that 24 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:06,659 it is like to be something to be this 25 00:01:11,780 --> 00:01:09,720 conscious system sigh phenomena we all 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:11,790 know what that is I think the selection 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:14,490 problem is something I just put forth a 28 00:01:20,179 --> 00:01:18,210 couple years ago and it hasn't been 29 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:20,189 entirely widely accepted yet so I'm 30 00:01:25,670 --> 00:01:22,290 going to talk about that in a little bit 31 00:01:29,569 --> 00:01:25,680 of detail so to understand the selection 32 00:01:34,399 --> 00:01:29,579 problem think for a minute about what it 33 00:01:37,130 --> 00:01:34,409 means to be you so it's you know pretty 34 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:37,140 much accepted that to have phenomenal 35 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:39,630 conscious experience you need a subject 36 00:01:44,510 --> 00:01:42,060 of that experience or an experiencer of 37 00:01:45,889 --> 00:01:44,520 the experience so in other words if you 38 00:01:48,740 --> 00:01:45,899 have pain you need a subject 39 00:01:52,850 --> 00:01:48,750 experiencing pain that's the simplest 40 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:52,860 example but a number of thought 41 00:01:58,999 --> 00:01:55,710 experiments that are pretty widely known 42 00:02:01,999 --> 00:01:59,009 actually even among people that are not 43 00:02:05,050 --> 00:02:02,009 philosophers are things like well if you 44 00:02:07,249 --> 00:02:05,060 upload your mind into a computer and 45 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:07,259 assuming the computer is conscious would 46 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:09,390 it still be you you might think if it 47 00:02:12,770 --> 00:02:11,459 has the same functionality as you of 48 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:12,780 course it would be you 49 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:14,760 but then what if you kept the original 50 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:17,400 you your original body and made a copy 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:19,950 rather than destroying the original so 52 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:22,290 they both in a sense seem like good 53 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:24,780 answers so that kind of thought 54 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:26,430 experiment really and there's other 55 00:02:30,020 --> 00:02:28,140 variations to that but they all really 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:30,030 illustrate that we really have no 57 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:32,730 constraint on this problem of what it 58 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:35,610 means to be a subject of experience or 59 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:41,610 an experiencer so this quote right here 60 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:45,330 I think illustrates part of the problem 61 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:49,410 pretty carefully so this is a quote from 62 00:02:57,229 --> 00:02:54,030 one of Dawkins books and it gets out one 63 00:02:58,850 --> 00:02:57,239 of the questions of like that I'm sure 64 00:02:59,540 --> 00:02:58,860 we've all thought of like what if I were 65 00:03:04,250 --> 00:02:59,550 never born 66 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:04,260 now how many potential people are there 67 00:03:08,180 --> 00:03:06,750 and you know so this quote says most 68 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:08,190 people are never gonna be born because 69 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:10,110 or most people are never gonna die 70 00:03:14,979 --> 00:03:12,050 because they're never gonna be born and 71 00:03:18,020 --> 00:03:14,989 so that raises the question of how many 72 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:18,030 possible people are there so you might 73 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:20,670 think as this quote implies it's limited 74 00:03:24,890 --> 00:03:23,070 by the DNA but remember that thought 75 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:24,900 experiment you might have a clone of 76 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:27,329 yourself but in a sense it's actually 77 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:30,150 two different subjects and also you can 78 00:03:34,340 --> 00:03:31,980 conceive of an infinite amount of 79 00:03:37,850 --> 00:03:34,350 organisms that are conscious being born 80 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:37,860 so I think what this illustrates is that 81 00:03:42,380 --> 00:03:39,630 there are an infinite amount of 82 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:42,390 potential subjects of experience and 83 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:45,510 then the question is the way I phrase it 84 00:03:51,949 --> 00:03:48,930 to really isolate the truly hard part of 85 00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:51,959 this problem of subjectivity is what is 86 00:03:58,210 --> 00:03:54,720 it that when taking for granted that you 87 00:04:01,300 --> 00:03:58,220 the physical system that's your body was 88 00:04:04,069 --> 00:04:01,310 comes into existence and is conscious 89 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:04,079 what is it that selects what is the 90 00:04:08,270 --> 00:04:06,239 selection mechanism that makes it your 91 00:04:12,580 --> 00:04:08,280 subject out of the infinite amount of 92 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:12,590 possible subjects and this concept of 93 00:04:18,460 --> 00:04:14,970 potentiality and actuality it goes back 94 00:04:22,339 --> 00:04:18,470 to Aristotle and it's been applied to 95 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:22,349 potential energy in physics which you 96 00:04:25,940 --> 00:04:24,930 know as we know like worked pretty well 97 00:04:27,260 --> 00:04:25,950 and I may argue 98 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:27,270 it's just we need to apply that same 99 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:30,720 concept to subjects in order to really 100 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:34,290 understand and isolate the truly 101 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:36,930 difficult part of the problem and that's 102 00:04:43,850 --> 00:04:39,270 the angle we need to look at it from to 103 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:43,860 really make progress on this so if you 104 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:46,490 take so this basically just shows that 105 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:49,070 the selection so the hard problem 106 00:04:55,940 --> 00:04:52,430 attempts to phrase the problem of 107 00:04:59,090 --> 00:04:55,950 experience phenomenal conscious 108 00:05:01,970 --> 00:04:59,100 experience into a simple way of looking 109 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:01,980 at it that allows us to attack the hard 110 00:05:06,650 --> 00:05:04,830 part of a problem and the selection 111 00:05:09,620 --> 00:05:06,660 problem is just a complement of that 112 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:09,630 which looks at the subject aspect of it 113 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:12,050 it's because you need a subject to be 114 00:05:16,970 --> 00:05:14,970 experiencing experience and if you take 115 00:05:19,340 --> 00:05:16,980 pen psychism seriously you have the 116 00:05:22,820 --> 00:05:19,350 combination problem about how does micro 117 00:05:24,650 --> 00:05:22,830 qualia be become macro qualia and I 118 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:24,660 think that the selection problem really 119 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:29,010 encapsulates that so if you look at it 120 00:05:33,290 --> 00:05:30,630 from the ankle of the selection problem 121 00:05:34,910 --> 00:05:33,300 then you don't really have so much of a 122 00:05:38,690 --> 00:05:34,920 combination problem anymore because that 123 00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:38,700 gets at a deeper mystery okay so the 124 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:41,550 main I so I have a paper coming out on 125 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:44,730 this soon but the main critiques I get 126 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:47,450 on this are but the self doesn't exist 127 00:05:53,810 --> 00:05:50,250 and make a distinction between the term 128 00:05:55,550 --> 00:05:53,820 self and subject so the word self in 129 00:05:57,410 --> 00:05:55,560 philosophy has a whole lot of baggage 130 00:05:59,660 --> 00:05:57,420 associated with it a whole lot of 131 00:06:01,940 --> 00:05:59,670 complexity about what it means to be a 132 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:01,950 personal identity having stability over 133 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:04,380 a lifetime and all that the subject is 134 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:06,960 just what we're actually getting at when 135 00:06:12,410 --> 00:06:08,970 we're talking about would this be you 136 00:06:14,090 --> 00:06:12,420 experiencing it or would it not so 137 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:14,100 people say this is a dualistic 138 00:06:21,470 --> 00:06:16,370 perspective this is Cartesian dualism 139 00:06:22,970 --> 00:06:21,480 which is widely discredited I say it 140 00:06:25,370 --> 00:06:22,980 makes sense that you might think of 141 00:06:26,750 --> 00:06:25,380 potential subjects and draw an analogy 142 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:26,760 to de cartes 143 00:06:31,420 --> 00:06:29,340 what he called immaterial souls that 144 00:06:34,250 --> 00:06:31,430 come around and interact with the body 145 00:06:36,590 --> 00:06:34,260 but remember that potential subjects are 146 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:36,600 really just constructs so they're not 147 00:06:43,770 --> 00:06:39,910 they don't necessarily have to be real 148 00:06:46,830 --> 00:06:43,780 so there's not really a way you can look 149 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:46,840 at it where they're actually the same 150 00:06:53,610 --> 00:06:50,460 thing is what you could call a soul and 151 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:53,620 then finally people say the problem 152 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:55,300 doesn't arise in the third person's 153 00:07:00,690 --> 00:06:58,090 perspective but ultimately whether or 154 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:00,700 not you exist is objectively true or 155 00:07:09,050 --> 00:07:06,160 false and that's basically the the point 156 00:07:13,370 --> 00:07:09,060 I argue on that is that it's 157 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:13,380 consequential to you whether or not you 158 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:16,300 survive and upload or tell a 159 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:20,890 transportation or whatever and that kind 160 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:21,910 of illustrates that there is an 161 00:07:26,250 --> 00:07:24,130 objective further fact about your 162 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:26,260 subjective experience it is a unique 163 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:31,630 thing that is specific to you but does 164 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:34,380 arise in an in an objective perspective 165 00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:38,170 so okay so that's the selection problem 166 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:40,240 so now I'm coming back to this web of 167 00:07:45,930 --> 00:07:43,410 these different phenomena here and 168 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:45,940 something I noticed is that one way you 169 00:07:50,220 --> 00:07:47,650 can look at this is that they're all 170 00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:50,230 they all might in some way be connected 171 00:07:54,450 --> 00:07:52,240 to the phenomena of true randomness so 172 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:54,460 with this selection problem that I just 173 00:07:58,950 --> 00:07:56,770 talked about the fact that there's an 174 00:08:01,320 --> 00:07:58,960 infinite possible amount of subjects and 175 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:01,330 it more or less appears to be a truly 176 00:08:05,820 --> 00:08:03,850 random selection now when I'm saying 177 00:08:07,650 --> 00:08:05,830 true random I just mean we don't know 178 00:08:12,260 --> 00:08:07,660 the mechanism yet it hasn't been 179 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:12,270 elucidated with understanding subject 180 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:14,170 experience phenomenal conscious 181 00:08:17,790 --> 00:08:16,360 experience and the hard problem there 182 00:08:20,190 --> 00:08:17,800 are some theories out there about it 183 00:08:24,150 --> 00:08:20,200 being related to the wavefunction 184 00:08:27,570 --> 00:08:24,160 collapse and so another way of looking 185 00:08:30,470 --> 00:08:27,580 at psy phenomena is directly influencing 186 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:30,480 or predicting a random event perhaps and 187 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:33,040 the link between quantum and true 188 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:36,490 randomness is pretty established and so 189 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:38,950 that is one way that that curved red 190 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:42,370 line that I drew that people have looked 191 00:08:50,220 --> 00:08:45,760 at interaction or saw a effect quantum 192 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:50,230 events I argue though that turbulence is 193 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:51,930 actually 194 00:08:58,350 --> 00:08:54,910 also maybe well we know it in its 195 00:09:01,320 --> 00:08:58,360 behavior it looks true random but 196 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:01,330 there's also some new studies coming out 197 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:03,850 suggesting it might at heart be a 198 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:06,000 quantum event I don't have time or 199 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:08,650 turbulence in essence might be a quantum 200 00:09:15,030 --> 00:09:11,380 phenomenon I don't have time to get into 201 00:09:18,260 --> 00:09:15,040 that but what I argue is that looking at 202 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:18,270 an interaction between mind matter 203 00:09:25,050 --> 00:09:21,970 yeah like PK psy phenomena might matter 204 00:09:27,510 --> 00:09:25,060 interactions with turbulence actually 205 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:27,520 might be more powerful that might be the 206 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:29,770 more powerful link in shedding light on 207 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:34,060 all of this this web of problems in 208 00:09:42,090 --> 00:09:37,060 consciousness the reason I'm saying that 209 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:42,100 is so turbulence is they kick chaotic 210 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:44,260 movement of any fluid and so remember 211 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:48,520 air is a fluid so when you we think of 212 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:50,410 turbulence is something we experience on 213 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:53,560 a plane but really we see it all the 214 00:09:59,010 --> 00:09:55,480 time if you see a gust of wind that is 215 00:10:01,200 --> 00:09:59,020 turbulence if you go in the hot tub here 216 00:10:06,090 --> 00:10:01,210 the Jets are making turbulence in the 217 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:06,100 water so it's a nonlinear phenomena so 218 00:10:10,980 --> 00:10:08,050 small changes to the initial state 219 00:10:13,050 --> 00:10:10,990 causes larger changes laters in later in 220 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:13,060 time classic butterfly effect chaos 221 00:10:17,010 --> 00:10:15,790 theory stuff and what I'm arguing is 222 00:10:21,630 --> 00:10:17,020 that this could be used to our advantage 223 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:21,640 to possibly let's say you have a 224 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:24,010 naturally small effect size of a mind 225 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:27,910 matter interaction turbulence effects 226 00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:29,890 might be able to amplify that into 227 00:10:35,310 --> 00:10:32,260 something much larger that stands out 228 00:10:38,490 --> 00:10:35,320 over the background noise and there's 229 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:38,500 some compelling documented cases of this 230 00:10:43,950 --> 00:10:42,100 of macroscopic weather influence out 231 00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:43,960 there so I think this is worth taking 232 00:10:56,820 --> 00:10:50,560 seriously okay so this experiment here 233 00:10:58,470 --> 00:10:56,830 is not directly related to or it's not 234 00:11:00,750 --> 00:10:58,480 exactly clear where this is going to fit 235 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:00,760 in the puzzle I should say of 236 00:11:04,650 --> 00:11:03,250 consciousness but this is more me being 237 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:04,660 a grad student in that miss Furyk 238 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:05,350 science 239 00:11:12,390 --> 00:11:08,260 being desperate to do some kind of Cyrus 240 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:12,400 earch so what I came up with was on the 241 00:11:16,290 --> 00:11:14,680 flights I've been funded to do to study 242 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:16,300 ozone pollution in the San Joaquin 243 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:19,180 Valley and the Las Vegas Mojave Desert 244 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:22,240 area the following year I put a random 245 00:11:28,770 --> 00:11:23,590 number generator on it 246 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:28,780 a true RNG and those are the areas that 247 00:11:33,870 --> 00:11:30,970 we're flying and this is how I define 248 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:33,880 randomness or synchronicity rather in 249 00:11:39,330 --> 00:11:36,970 the random number generator output I'm 250 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:39,340 hypothesizing that the synchronicity is 251 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:43,270 going to increase with turbulence so on 252 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:45,670 the aircraft we didn't have a direct way 253 00:11:51,780 --> 00:11:47,590 of measuring turbulence but I basically 254 00:11:55,980 --> 00:11:51,790 looked at stability so it's unstable air 255 00:11:58,500 --> 00:11:55,990 where you're gonna have more turbulence 256 00:12:01,050 --> 00:11:58,510 and one way to measure that is the 257 00:12:02,790 --> 00:12:01,060 change in temperature with height or 258 00:12:05,820 --> 00:12:02,800 what we call the lapse rate so 259 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:05,830 specifically I'm hypothesizing that the 260 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:07,690 synchronicity of the random number 261 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:10,540 generator will increase in unstable 262 00:12:17,450 --> 00:12:15,090 conditions the effect was pretty robust 263 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:17,460 especially for the San Joaquin Valley 264 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:19,690 even though I predicted a direction I'm 265 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:22,390 just using two-tailed statistics to be 266 00:12:31,070 --> 00:12:26,860 safe and this is just a cumulative 267 00:12:36,270 --> 00:12:31,080 result of all the flights put together 268 00:12:45,630 --> 00:12:36,280 so we get about Oh point zero zero two 269 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:45,640 at the end so interpreting this I more 270 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:47,230 or less think I've ruled out at being an 271 00:12:51,470 --> 00:12:49,300 artifact of the instrument though of 272 00:12:54,450 --> 00:12:51,480 course you can never completely be sure 273 00:12:57,890 --> 00:12:54,460 it could be an experimenter effect on my 274 00:12:59,820 --> 00:12:57,900 part that would be quite a large 275 00:13:02,130 --> 00:12:59,830 experimenter effect because I'm not 276 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:02,140 aware of the conditions of the 277 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:04,000 atmosphere at all times and I'm focusing 278 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:06,940 pretty heavily on the ozone and the 279 00:13:13,430 --> 00:13:09,910 other the main part of the mission that 280 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:13,440 I am actually getting paid for and so 281 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:16,810 but what I'm hoping may turn out to be 282 00:13:21,630 --> 00:13:19,570 the case is that this could sue 283 00:13:24,270 --> 00:13:21,640 sort of an interconnection between the 284 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:24,280 micro and macro scales of the random 285 00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:26,380 events from the random number generator 286 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:28,720 to the larger scale atmospheric flow 287 00:13:34,170 --> 00:13:30,490 which I think could be an important 288 00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:34,180 result for any mind matter interaction 289 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:36,520 model and so once again I don't know 290 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:38,050 exactly where this is going to fit into 291 00:13:44,430 --> 00:13:40,870 the where this piece of the puzzle might 292 00:13:48,710 --> 00:13:44,440 fit in but I wanted to report on it 293 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:48,720 because of the robustness of the results 294 00:13:54,380 --> 00:13:52,300 okay and lastly I'm going to talk about 295 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:54,390 an experiment that's in progress 296 00:14:01,500 --> 00:13:58,450 so we're basically now we can actually 297 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:01,510 measure turbulence with something called 298 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:05,830 a sonic anemometer and we had one 299 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:10,530 installed over some bare ground and 300 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:13,330 basically what I'm asking or what I've 301 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:15,670 asked people to do was to go online fill 302 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:17,770 out a questionnaire and they would do a 303 00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:21,130 10-minute session where in 30-second 304 00:14:28,140 --> 00:14:24,150 periods alternating periods they'd 305 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:28,150 intend and relax so in other words 306 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:31,080 during the intention periods they're 307 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:34,720 intending turbulence to get more intense 308 00:14:40,290 --> 00:14:38,230 and so this is the way we define 309 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:40,300 turbulence basically just a sum of the 310 00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:42,610 variances of all the spatial components 311 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:45,940 --is of wind and then another thing I 312 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:48,730 hypothesized was that the performance 313 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:50,650 would be increased with more background 314 00:14:56,430 --> 00:14:54,250 atmospheric stability and with when you 315 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:56,440 have a sonic anemometer I talked about 316 00:15:00,780 --> 00:14:58,810 measuring or estimating stability with 317 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:00,790 like the lapse rate in temperature 318 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:04,570 before using this when you have actual 319 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:08,050 sonic anemometer measurements you can do 320 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:11,440 it more directly this just shows you why 321 00:15:17,330 --> 00:15:14,230 I expect better results in stable 322 00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:17,340 conditions kind of counterintuitive that 323 00:15:22,830 --> 00:15:20,680 if it's more stable you'd be less likely 324 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:22,840 to have turbulence but notice the 325 00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:26,290 scatter here once so think of the x-axis 326 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:28,000 just think of that as stability think of 327 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:30,520 the y-axis is turbulence once you've 328 00:15:37,090 --> 00:15:32,570 gone beyond a certain threshold 329 00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:37,100 it pretty much scatters so I think 330 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:38,720 there's more potential there for you to 331 00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:41,330 go from no turbulence perfectly stable 332 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:45,440 to setting it off rather than already 333 00:15:51,010 --> 00:15:47,090 having existing turbulence and just 334 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:51,020 working with that okay so the first 335 00:15:57,970 --> 00:15:53,180 phase of the experiment I didn't really 336 00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:57,980 have very good recruiting resources so 337 00:16:02,710 --> 00:15:59,600 these are really just eight data points 338 00:16:08,430 --> 00:16:02,720 so make of it what you will 339 00:16:12,090 --> 00:16:08,440 the the direction of the effect is 340 00:16:14,590 --> 00:16:12,100 consistent with the hypothesis but not 341 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:14,600 not really anything to really make of it 342 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:17,570 with that low amount of data points and 343 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:19,610 then on the right there is the 344 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:23,450 correlation with stability I looked at 345 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:25,820 both the intention and relaxation and 346 00:16:31,270 --> 00:16:28,310 also keeping in mind that the 347 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:31,280 atmospheric flow is large and affected 348 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:34,370 by probably things well upstream I 349 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:37,130 looked also at the entire ten minutes 350 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:40,130 during session during the session the 351 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:41,390 entire ten minutes of the session and 352 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:43,550 compare that to the ten minutes before 353 00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:46,010 and ten minutes after trying to average 354 00:16:53,610 --> 00:16:49,820 together I looked at kind of a power 355 00:16:56,410 --> 00:16:53,620 spectrum with that too so the area under 356 00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,420 these dots here would be proportional to 357 00:17:00,940 --> 00:16:58,880 the variance or you can think of it as 358 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:00,950 turbulence because it's basically we 359 00:17:06,189 --> 00:17:03,170 just measure turbulence as variance in 360 00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:06,199 the wind what I was trying to get at 361 00:17:11,170 --> 00:17:09,110 here was in classical turbulence theory 362 00:17:14,679 --> 00:17:11,180 you have the idea that these large 363 00:17:16,449 --> 00:17:14,689 Eddie's are going to then translate into 364 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:16,459 smaller and smaller Eddie's and it would 365 00:17:23,050 --> 00:17:19,250 basically cascade downward and so what 366 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:23,060 I'm wondering is is if there's an 367 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:25,490 influence going on would the effect be 368 00:17:31,090 --> 00:17:27,770 consistent with that is mind influencing 369 00:17:32,910 --> 00:17:31,100 large Eddie's or the very small little 370 00:17:38,890 --> 00:17:32,920 micro swirls and is that somehow 371 00:17:41,050 --> 00:17:38,900 bubbling up into larger effects so from 372 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:41,060 the looks of this the only thing that 373 00:17:45,550 --> 00:17:42,950 even really stands out is the very 374 00:17:46,919 --> 00:17:45,560 largest of the Eddie's which correspond 375 00:17:49,889 --> 00:17:46,929 to 376 00:17:56,099 --> 00:17:49,899 think of Eddie's as turbulence whirls 377 00:17:58,769 --> 00:17:56,109 roughly 800 meters in size again you 378 00:18:01,680 --> 00:17:58,779 know this is a the first phase I'm 379 00:18:04,580 --> 00:18:01,690 collecting more data now but this is the 380 00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:04,590 type of analysis I expect to do 381 00:18:10,529 --> 00:18:07,720 okay so conclusions the selection 382 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:10,539 problem complements the hard problem the 383 00:18:14,970 --> 00:18:12,369 deepest philosophical questions about 384 00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:14,980 consciousness may be in some way related 385 00:18:22,499 --> 00:18:17,320 to to randomness and that might be a way 386 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:22,509 we can approach it and turbulence is a 387 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:24,730 good candidate for possibly shedding 388 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:28,210 light on all of that and the preliminary 389 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:31,210 results encourage this approach to 390 00:18:36,180 --> 00:18:33,970 continue and I'll leave some 391 00:18:39,450 --> 00:18:36,190 acknowledgments on the board now in 392 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:39,460 terms of so this is the website to go to 393 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:42,820 from my experiment unfortunately I got 394 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:46,480 word yesterday that they had to move my 395 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:48,850 sonic for and use it for another 396 00:18:54,239 --> 00:18:51,190 experiment but it'll be back up in about 397 00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:54,249 a month and a half so if you want to 398 00:19:01,080 --> 00:18:57,960 write that down it'll it'll be online 399 00:19:07,049 --> 00:19:01,090 sometime this summer and I'm hoping to 400 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:07,059 get a lot more data for for that and 401 00:19:11,260 --> 00:19:20,279 [Applause] 402 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:23,200 not yeah there we go okay so I'm gonna 403 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:25,250 take the chairs prerogative and ask the 404 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:29,210 first question very simple one who knew 405 00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:31,130 that you were putting an rng on that 406 00:19:39,130 --> 00:19:35,000 plane or did you smuggle it on and just 407 00:19:46,389 --> 00:19:39,140 steal the data yeah I mean I knew about 408 00:19:50,889 --> 00:19:46,399 it my adviser yeah my adviser knew about 409 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:50,899 it he was pretty supportive of it yeah I 410 00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,809 think I explained it to most of the 411 00:20:02,409 --> 00:19:56,480 flight crew I don't know how much they 412 00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,419 understood that I'd like to say first 413 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:04,159 that I'm very impressed with the 414 00:20:11,470 --> 00:20:09,500 airplane experiment i i'd like to sound 415 00:20:14,350 --> 00:20:11,480 a cautionary note with the Kaos 416 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:14,360 experiment because the track record of 417 00:20:21,129 --> 00:20:17,769 online web-based PK experiments is 418 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:21,139 frankly not very good so it's a very 419 00:20:27,399 --> 00:20:22,970 difficult genre that you've chosen to 420 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:27,409 work in there but on the airplane it 421 00:20:32,860 --> 00:20:30,529 sounded as if you were aboard the plane 422 00:20:36,340 --> 00:20:32,870 yourself with the instrumentation is 423 00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,350 that correct sometimes we kind of 424 00:20:41,919 --> 00:20:38,720 alternated flight scientists between 425 00:20:45,490 --> 00:20:41,929 missions but yeah I was on it sometimes 426 00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:45,500 but the rhe was all RNG was always there 427 00:20:56,409 --> 00:20:53,360 whether or not you were yeah what do you 428 00:21:04,000 --> 00:20:56,419 think of the possibility that the effect 429 00:21:08,169 --> 00:21:04,010 on the rng was the result of the human 430 00:21:13,889 --> 00:21:08,179 fliers emotional state and stress level 431 00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,899 reacting to the turbulence it could be I 432 00:21:22,450 --> 00:21:15,919 there's really there's no way to 433 00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:22,460 disprove that I don't think that I I 434 00:21:26,259 --> 00:21:24,200 know myself and the 435 00:21:31,629 --> 00:21:26,269 let's like the level of turbulence we 436 00:21:33,940 --> 00:21:31,639 encountered was not really 437 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:33,950 it didn't feel life-threatening to any 438 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:38,210 degree so yeah that's probably all I can 439 00:21:43,899 --> 00:21:42,080 say I wouldn't say that my emotion or 440 00:21:50,259 --> 00:21:43,909 the pilots emotions probably changed 441 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:50,269 that much but yeah it's a possibility hi 442 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:53,210 Danny I was oppressed also with the 443 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:55,130 airplane experiment but I'd like to urge 444 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:56,809 a few cautionary notes about the 445 00:22:02,019 --> 00:21:58,450 philosophical portion of your 446 00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,029 presentation okay first of all as far as 447 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:04,159 the selection and hard problems are 448 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:06,590 concerned I would urge you to forget 449 00:22:09,789 --> 00:22:08,330 about the thought experiments we don't 450 00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:09,799 need the thought experiments we've got 451 00:22:14,379 --> 00:22:12,500 real-life cases in cases of dissociative 452 00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:14,389 identity or multiple personality 453 00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:16,340 disorder where we have multiplication 454 00:22:23,769 --> 00:22:21,289 themselves second I would suggest that 455 00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:23,779 you need to look at content arguments 456 00:22:28,330 --> 00:22:26,240 for the unity of consciousness that what 457 00:22:30,129 --> 00:22:28,340 arguments content arguments for the 458 00:22:32,409 --> 00:22:30,139 unity of consciousness which is 459 00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:32,419 presupposed by any kind of phenomenal 460 00:22:40,930 --> 00:22:36,100 awareness right yeah 461 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:40,940 so yeah in terms of the the real-life 462 00:22:44,370 --> 00:22:42,769 cases that we have I mean I think the 463 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:44,380 thought experiments just kind of 464 00:22:53,159 --> 00:22:49,460 complement it but yeah I am discussing 465 00:22:56,169 --> 00:22:53,169 some of those in my paper coming out 466 00:22:58,539 --> 00:22:56,179 yeah what might actually be going on is 467 00:23:00,700 --> 00:22:58,549 an actual like instead of just calling 468 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:00,710 these potential these might actually be 469 00:23:09,820 --> 00:23:06,370 real infinite amount of actual subjects 470 00:23:11,409 --> 00:23:09,830 let me raise one other question this is 471 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:11,419 a little more general it has to do with 472 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:13,070 an assumption I think you're making that 473 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:14,510 I've called a smallest beautiful 474 00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:16,610 assumption which I think is unjustified 475 00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,340 and that is in most areas of science 476 00:23:25,659 --> 00:23:21,440 probably all areas of science we assume 477 00:23:27,970 --> 00:23:25,669 that explanation by analysis in terms of 478 00:23:30,129 --> 00:23:27,980 subsidiary processes can't go on forever 479 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:30,139 that sooner or later we're going to come 480 00:23:36,639 --> 00:23:34,250 to some fundamental processes that are 481 00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,649 just basic they're primitive at that 482 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:38,000 point we no longer ask 483 00:23:42,250 --> 00:23:40,670 how the phenomena occur that's just the 484 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:42,260 way the universe works and nothing at a 485 00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:44,330 lower level explains that doesn't mean 486 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:46,100 explanation comes to a halt it just 487 00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:48,410 means that analytical explanation comes 488 00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,460 to a halt now what most scientists also 489 00:23:56,590 --> 00:23:54,320 assume and this is I think unjustified 490 00:23:58,450 --> 00:23:56,600 is that wherever this primitive level of 491 00:24:01,500 --> 00:23:58,460 phenomena are it's always at the level 492 00:24:05,290 --> 00:24:01,510 of the very small subatomic atomic 493 00:24:07,630 --> 00:24:05,300 neurophysiological whatever that is just 494 00:24:09,670 --> 00:24:07,640 an assumption it's not an empirically 495 00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:09,680 established fact and there are powerful 496 00:24:13,780 --> 00:24:11,720 philosophical arguments to suggest that 497 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:13,790 it's false I think you're making that 498 00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:15,530 assumption and supposing that we need to 499 00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:18,110 look at micro level phenomena to explain 500 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:22,340 the macro level phenomena Shelford yeah 501 00:24:29,650 --> 00:24:24,410 I'd be interested to talk more about 502 00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:29,660 that I just want everyone to be clear 503 00:24:32,650 --> 00:24:31,580 that actually wasn't Steve Brown he 504 00:24:37,690 --> 00:24:32,660 asked and that question that was one of 505 00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:37,700 his ultra personalities that asketh do 506 00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:41,120 we have any more questions folks okay we